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Science

“Bernoulli's principle applies only to curved surfaces and cannot be applied to flat plate rudders.”

The conclusion

False
2/10

Surface curvature is not a requirement for applying Bernoulli's principle. Fluid-mechanics sources apply Bernoulli's equation to flat-plate flow and explain lift through pressure differences associated with the velocity field. A caveat about one curvature-based lift explanation near a sharp leading edge does not make Bernoulli's equation inapplicable to flat-plate rudders.

Caveats

  • Do not confuse Bernoulli's general pressure–velocity relationship with a particular curvature-based explanation of lift.
  • The evidence includes a direct Bernoulli application to a flat plate, but not a detailed calculation for a flat-plate rudder specifically.
  • Some cited links are duplicate versions of the same underlying sources.

Sources

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#1
doi.org 2023-12-31 | Sailing Performance of Wind-Powered Cargo Vessel in Unsteady Conditions

The expressions for rudder lift and drag forces are: FL = 1 2 ρV 2 r SCL, FD = 1 2 ρV 2 r SCD, … Following Hughes et al. (2011), the rudder force model delineates three distinct regimes: pre-stall, transitional, and post-stall, with the latter indicating complete flow detachment. When the angle of attack α is below the stall angle αs, the lift and drag coefficients are: CL = ∂CL ∂α α + CDC ARe α| α| , | α| ≤ αs, CD = CD0 + C2 L πARee0 , | α| ≤ αs.The rudder’s geometry is defined by its root chord cr, tip chord ct, span s and sweep angle of the quarter-chord line Ω. The expressions for rudder lift and drag forces are: FL = 1 2 ρV 2 r SCL, FD = 1 2 ρV 2 r SCD, (50) where S denotes the projected rudder area, Vr represents the average relative flow velocity across the rudder, and CL and CD are the lift and drag coefficients, respectively. Following Hughes et al. (2011), the rudder force model delineates three distinct regimes: pre-stall, transitional, and post-stall, with the latter indicating complete flow detachment. When the angle of attack α is below the stall angle αs, the lift and drag coefficients are: CL = ∂CL ∂α α + CDC ARe α| α| , | α| ≤ αs, CD = CD0 + C2 L πARee0 , | α| ≤ αs. (51)

#2
link.springer.com 2021-12-13 | Evolutionary understanding of airfoil lift

Furthermore, the explanation based on Bernoulli’s equation along the normal direction to a streamline has a difficulty since both the upper and lower surfaces have zero curvature and a singularity with |∂p/∂n| → ∞ as R → 0 occurs at the leading edge.… For example, a flat-plate airfoil is a clear counterexample for the “equal transit time theory”. The Venturi effect of pinched streamline tubes for higher velocity is not solidly grounded on most upper surface of the plate (except near the leading edge) since the cross section of streamline tubes is expanded there. The application of the Coanda effect is questionable at the sharp leading edge where the flow exhibits a singular behavior. Furthermore, the explanation based on Bernoulli’s equation along the normal direction to a streamline has a difficulty since both the upper and lower surfaces have zero curvature and a singularity with |∂p/∂n| → ∞ as R → 0 occurs at the leading edge. The objective of this paper is to elucidate the physical origin of aerodynamic lift of an airfoil using simple formulations and notations, particularly focusing on the critical effect of the fluid viscosity. The content will be valuable as a supplementary material for teaching in aerodynamics and fluid mechanics. …

#3
grc.nasa.gov Incorrect Lift Theory

Think of a paper airplane. Its airfoil is a flat plate --> top and bottom exactly the same length and shape and yet they fly just fine. … The upper flow is faster and from Bernoulli's equation the pressure is lower. The difference in pressure across the airfoil produces the lift.} As we have seen in Experiment #1, this part of the theory is correct.Let's use the information we've just learned to evaluate the various parts of the "Equal Transit" Theory. - {Lifting airfoils are designed to have the upper surface longer than the bottom.} This is not always correct. The symmetric airfoil in our experiment generates plenty of lift and its upper surface is the same length as the lower surface. Think of a paper airplane. Its airfoil is a flat plate --> top and bottom exactly the same length and shape and yet they fly just fine. This part of the theory probably got started because early airfoils were curved and shaped with a longer distance along the top. Such airfoils do produce a lot of lift and flow turning, but it is the turning that's important, not the distance. There are modern, low-drag airfoils which produce lift on which the bottom surface is actually longer than the top. This theory also does not explain how airplanes can fly upside-down (the longer path would then be on the bottom!) … The lift predicted by the "Equal Transit" theory is much less than the observed lift, because the velocity is too low. The actual velocity over the top of an airfoil is much faster than that predicted by the "Longer Path" theory and particles moving over the top arrive at the trailing edge before particles moving under the airfoil. - {The upper flow is faster and from Bernoulli's equation the pressure is lower. The difference in pressure across the airfoil produces the lift.} As we have seen in Experiment #1, this part of the theory is correct. In fact, this theory is very appealing because many parts of the theory are correct. In our discussions on pressure-area integration to determine the force on a body immersed in a fluid, we mentioned that if we know the velocity, we can obtain the pressure and determine the force. The problem with the "Equal Transit" theory is that it attempts to provide us with the velocity based on a non-physical assumption as discussed above.

#4
doi.org 2021-12-01 | Evolutionary understanding of airfoil lift

Bernoulli's equation can be used as a useful tool to calculate a pressure distribution on an airfoil and further airfoil lift when a velocity field around an airfoil is given.Rayleign's lift formula It has been recognized that the working lift models have to be developed based on a cascade of suitable approximations and assumptions since the NS equations are difficult to be directly solved analytically. First, the inviscid-flow approximation is made such that the NS equations are reduced to the Euler equations that have an integral: Bernoulli's equation providing an explicit relation between velocity and pressure along a streamline. Bernoulli's equation can be used as a useful tool to calculate a pressure distribution on an airfoil and further airfoil lift when a velocity field around an airfoil is given. To reconstruct a velocity field around an airfoil, a further approximation is that the flow is potential and irrotational. Therefore, the flow is governed by the Laplace equation of the velocity potential. Some elemental solutions of the Laplace equation can be used as building blocks due to its linear nature to reconstruct a velocity field around an airfoil. In particular, for a two-dimensional (2D) potential flow, a conformal transformation can be applied to the airfoil theory.

#5
pure.tudelft.nl 2016-09-29 | This work is downloaded from Delft University of Technology.

Thieme (1965) indicated that the flat-plate profiles may achieve high efficiency in straight-ahead condition. … Liu and Hekkenberg (2015) showed that this high efficiency only appears at small angles of attack, i.e. up to approximately 5◦. After this, the lift coefficient stalls and the lift-to-drag ratio collapses.10 head in Figure 4). Thieme (1965) indicated that the flat-plate profiles may achieve high efficiency in straight-ahead condition. Liu and Hekkenberg (2015) showed that this high efficiency only appears at small angles of attack, i.e. up to approximately 5◦. After this, the lift coefficient stalls and the lift-to-drag ratio collapses. Additionally, flat-plate rudders stall at a smaller angle than other profiles due to earlier and stronger flow separation (Liu and Hekkenberg, 2015). At present, flat-plate rudders are frequently seen on small boats and antique inland vessels but not common for modern seagoing ships. 3.2. NACA NACA profiles are the most widely applied rudder profiles (Kim et al., 2012) (Figure 4). They are also applied to other foil shaped structures such as, propellers Takekoshi et al. …

#6
jstage.jst.go.jp 2010-02-16 | Numerical and Experimental Study on Aerodynamic Characteristics of Basic Airfoils at Low Reynolds Numbers*

At low Re, the aerodynamic characteristics of the flat plate are qualitatively similar with those of the NACA0015, and are quantitatively superior to those of the NACA0015.… Moreover, the values of CD of the flat plate approximately coincide with those of the NACA0015. In Fig. 7(c), according to Figs. 7(a) and 7(b), CL/CD tends to increase with increasing α, as well as the NACA0015. Strictly speaking, at α = 12 – 20 deg., CL/CD seems to be almost constant rather than to increase monotonously. In addition, the flat plate achieves a higher value of CL/CD than the NACA0015 at any α in the tested range of α ≤ 20 deg. In summary, at low Re, the aerodynamic characteristics of the flat plate are qualitatively similar with those of the NACA0015, and are quantitatively superior to those of the NACA0015. 3.3 Flow fields around airfoils at low Re Figures 8 and 9 show the flow fields at Re = 1.0×10 2 around the NACA0015 and the flat plate, respectively. Specifically speaking, in each figure, figures (a) and (b) are for α = 4 and 16 deg., respectively. We should note that each distribution is at an instance chosen arbitrarily, because all the tested flows at Re = 1.0×10 2 are completely steady. First, we see Fig. 8. …

#7
grc.nasa.gov Bernoulli and Newton

Bernoulli's equation relates the pressure on the object to the local velocity; so as the velocity changes around the object, the pressure changes as well. Adding up (integrating) the pressure variation times the area around the entire body determines the aerodynamic force on the body.… Neither Newton nor Bernoulli ever attempted to explain the aerodynamic lift of an object. When a gas flows over an object, or when an object moves through a gas, the molecules of the gas are free to move about the object; they are not closely bound to one another as in a solid. Because the molecules move, there is a velocity (speed plus direction) associated with the gas. Within the gas, the velocity can have very different values at different places near the object. Bernoulli's equation relates the pressure on the object to the local velocity; so as the velocity changes around the object, the pressure changes as well. Adding up (integrating) the pressure variation times the area around the entire body determines the aerodynamic force on the body. The lift is the component of the aerodynamic force which is perpendicular to the original flow direction of the gas. The drag is the component of the aerodynamic force which is parallel to the original flow direction of the gas. Now adding up the velocity variation around the object instead of the pressure variation also determines the aerodynamic force. The integrated velocity variation around the object produces a net turning of the gas flow. …

#8
repository.tudelft.nl 2016-09-28 | Delft University of Technology

The existing empirical formula Eq. 2 sets CN∞ = 6.13 sin α and kΛ = 2.25. In this paper, CN∞ of various rudder profiles are obtained through 2D open-water RANS simulations and corrected with the propeller slipstream effects (Table 1)., (3) where kΛ is the rudder aspect ratio impact factor on the normal force coefficient. The existing empirical formula Eq. 2 sets CN∞ = 6.13 sin α and kΛ = 2.25. In this paper, CN∞ of various rudder profiles are obtained through 2D open-water RANS simulations and corrected with the propeller slipstream effects (Table 1). We take the empirical kΛ = 2.25 in terms of the aspect ratio impact factor. A better estimation of kΛ might be achieved through series of 3D RANS simulations. 5. Manoeuvring modelling

#9
cst.nihon-u.ac.jp 2011-11-28 | Measurement of pressure distributions on a flat plate airfoil in low Reynolds number region

JapaneseMeasurement of pressure distributions on a flat plate airfoil were performed using a wind tunnel to examine relationship between flow field and aerodynamics characteristic in low Reynolds number region.Takuya Ono 1, ○Yuta Yamaguchii 1, Yutaro Yamada 1, Tomohisa Ohtake 2, Tatsuo Motohashi 2 Abstract: Measurement of pressure distributions on a flat plate airfoil were performed using a wind tunnel to examine relationship between flow field and aerodynamics characteristic in low Reynolds number region. Validity of pressure coefficients is also confirmed measurement result. Feature of laminar separation bubble on the pressure distribution is observed at an angle of attack of 0 deg, by comparing lift coefficient which calculated by the pressure distribution with the thin airfoil theory, the lift coefficient of 5 deg is differ from the theoretical value at Reynolds number of 20,000 and 70,000. . 1. 緒言

#10
essay.utwente.nl 2014-07-04 | The Boundary Layer over a Flat Plate

With Bernoulli’s equation the velocity is then determined.Figure 12.2: Hot Wire Anemometer [6] 12.3 Hot Wire Anemometer Calibration Before every measurement, the HWA has to be calibrated. During the calibration, the Hot Wire is placed in an uniform flow with known velocity. The flow is generated by blowing through a nozzle with a pressure supply (see Appendix C2). The pressure in the nozzle is measured with a Betz manometer. With Bernoulli’s equation the velocity is then determined. With the StreamWare software, the HWA is then calibrated. It is important that the calibration is performed in the wind tunnel in order for the results to be consistent. Moreover, the probe has to be in the same position (i.e. facing the flow in the same attitude) as it will be in the measurements. 12.4 The Pitot Tube A Pitot tube is also used to measure the flow velocity. By measuring the static and stagnation pressure of the flow, the flow velocity can be obtained.

#11
princeton.edu Bernoulli's Equation

Consider a steady flow impinging on a perpendicular plate (figure 16). … The fluid along the dividing, or ``stagnation streamline'' slows down and eventually comes to rest without deflection at the stagnation point. Bernoulli's equation along the stagnation streamline givesStagnation pressure and dynamic pressure Bernoulli's equation leads to some interesting conclusions regarding the variation of pressure along a streamline. Consider a steady flow impinging on a perpendicular plate (figure 16). Figure 16. Stagnation point flow. There is one streamline that divides the flow in half: above this streamline all the flow goes over the plate, and below this streamline all the flow goes under the plate. Along this dividing streamline, the fluid moves towards the plate. Since the flow cannot pass through the plate, the fluid must come to rest at the point where it meets the plate. In other words, it ``stagnates.'' The fluid along the dividing, or ``stagnation streamline'' slows down and eventually comes to rest without deflection at the stagnation point. Bernoulli's equation along the stagnation streamline gives where the point e is far upstream and point 0 is at the stagnation point. Since the velocity at the stagnation point is zero,

#12
openstax.org 14.6 Bernoulli’s Equation - University Physics Volume 1

Situations in which fluid flows at a constant depth are so common that this equation is often also called Bernoulli’s principle, which is simply Bernoulli’s equation for fluids at constant depth.$p1+12ρv12=p2+12ρv22.p1+12ρv12=p2+12ρv22.$ Situations in which fluid flows at a constant depth are so common that this equation is often also called Bernoulli’s principle, which is simply Bernoulli’s equation for fluids at constant depth. (Note again that this applies to a small volume of fluid as we follow it along its path.) Bernoulli’s principle reinforces the fact that pressure drops as speed increases in a moving fluid: If $v2v2$ is greater than $v1v1$ in the equation, then $p2p2$ must be less than $p1p1$ for the equality to hold. Calculating Pressure

#13
princeton.edu Bernoulli's Equation

Consider a steady flow impinging on a perpendicular plate (figure 16). … Bernoulli's equation along the stagnation streamline gives where the point e is far upstream and point 0 is at the stagnation point.Stagnation pressure and dynamic pressure Bernoulli's equation leads to some interesting conclusions regarding the variation of pressure along a streamline. Consider a steady flow impinging on a perpendicular plate (figure 16). Figure 16. Stagnation point flow. --- · --- · … Along this dividing streamline, the fluid moves towards the plate. Since the flow cannot pass through the plate, the fluid must come to rest at the point where it meets the plate. In other words, it ``stagnates.'' The fluid along the dividing, or ``stagnation streamline'' slows down and eventually comes to rest without deflection at the stagnation point. Bernoulli's equation along the stagnation streamline gives where the point e is far upstream and point 0 is at the stagnation point. Since the velocity at the stagnation point is zero,

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Argument for

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Proponent Argues TRUE

As detailed in Source 2, applying Bernoulli's equation to calculate aerodynamic lift fundamentally requires surface curvature, making it impossible to apply to flat plate rudders because their zero curvature creates a mathematical singularity at the leading edge. While basic models may attempt to use Bernoulli's equation for simple stagnation points on perpendicular plates (Source 11), the principle ultimately fails to explain lift on flat surfaces, proving it is strictly applicable only to curved airfoils.

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Opponent Rebuttal

The Proponent misreads Source 2 (link.springer.com), which critiques flawed popular lift stories and notes a normal-to-streamline curvature difficulty for zero-curvature plates, not a ban on Bernoulli along streamlines or on flat-plate rudders. That leap is contradicted by Source 4 (doi.org) and Source 7 (grc.nasa.gov), which treat Bernoulli as the velocity–pressure link once a flow field is known, and by Sources 3, 11, and 13 (grc.nasa.gov; princeton.edu), which affirm pressure–velocity physics and Bernoulli on flat plates that produce lift.

Argument against

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Opponent Argues FALSE

The claim is false because Bernoulli's relation between local velocity and pressure holds along streamlines for general bodies, not only curved ones—Source 7 (grc.nasa.gov) and Source 4 (doi.org) treat it as a standard tool for pressure (hence lift) once a velocity field is known, and Sources 11 and 13 (princeton.edu) explicitly apply Bernoulli to stagnation flow on a flat perpendicular plate. Flat-plate airfoils and rudders demonstrably produce lift with the same pressure–velocity physics (Source 3, grc.nasa.gov; Sources 5–6 on flat-plate rudders/airfoils), so Bernoulli is neither limited to curved surfaces nor inapplicable to flat-plate rudders.

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Proponent Rebuttal

The Opponent conflates simple stagnation pressure on a perpendicular plate with aerodynamic lift, ignoring that Source 2 (link.springer.com) explicitly demonstrates Bernoulli's equation fails for flat-plate airfoils due to their zero curvature and the resulting mathematical singularity at the leading edge. Furthermore, while the Opponent relies on general velocity-pressure relationships from Source 4 (doi.org) and Source 7 (grc.nasa.gov), they fail to address this fundamental mathematical impossibility, proving that Bernoulli's principle cannot be validly applied to flat plate rudders.

Panel Review

3 reviewers assessed the evidence and the arguments.

Reviewer A · Claude

False
2/10

The claim asserts Bernoulli's principle applies only to curved surfaces and cannot be applied to flat plates, but sources 7 and 4 describe Bernoulli's equation as a general velocity-pressure relation along any streamline, not restricted to curved geometry, and sources 11/13 explicitly apply Bernoulli's equation to flow on a flat perpendicular plate. Source 3 shows flat-plate airfoils (paper airplanes) generate lift via the same pressure-velocity mechanism. Source 2's critique is narrower: it flags a specific normal-to-streamline curvature argument as problematic for explaining lift on flat plates near the leading edge, not that Bernoulli's equation is inapplicable to flat surfaces generally. The weight of reliable evidence contradicts the sweeping 'only curved surfaces' and 'cannot be applied' wording, making the claim false.

Source issues

  • Sources 2 and 4 are duplicates of the same paper (springer and doi versions), counted as one independent source.
  • Sources 11 and 13 are duplicate copies of the same Princeton page.

Evidence gaps

  • No source directly states rudders are physically incapable of lift via Bernoulli's principle; evidence instead shows flat-plate airfoils/rudders do generate lift.
  • Source 2's singularity critique concerns a specific pedagogical explanation method, not a general prohibition on applying Bernoulli's equation to flat plates.

Precision issues

  • The claim uses an absolute, unqualified scope ('only', 'cannot') that overstates the nuanced caveat in Source 2 about a particular explanatory approach near the leading edge.
  • The claim ignores that Bernoulli's equation is a general streamline relation (Sources 4, 7) applicable regardless of surface curvature.

Reviewer B · GPT

False
2/10

Bernoulli's equation is described as relating pressure to local velocity for an object in flow, with aerodynamic force obtained by integrating the resulting pressure distribution, without a curvature-only restriction [7]. Princeton explicitly applies Bernoulli's equation along a stagnation streamline terminating on a perpendicular flat plate, directly disproving the assertion that the principle applies only to curved surfaces [11]. The airfoil paper notes a difficulty for one normal-to-streamline curvature-based explanation at a flat plate's sharp leading edge, but it also states that Bernoulli's equation can calculate airfoil pressure when the velocity field is known; this is not a general prohibition on applying it to flat surfaces [2, 4]. Flat-plate rudders are documented as operating efficiently at small angles of attack, so the categorical claim that Bernoulli cannot be applied to them is unsupported and false [5].

Source issues

  • Sources 2 and 4 are versions of the same underlying article and are not independent evidence.
  • Sources 7 and 11 are educational web materials with unknown publication dates rather than primary rudder-flow studies.
  • Source 5 establishes flat-plate rudder performance but does not itself discuss applying Bernoulli's equation.

Evidence gaps

  • No source in the pool explicitly presents a Bernoulli pressure calculation for a flat-plate rudder specifically; the direct flat-surface example is a perpendicular plate, while the rudder evidence establishes that flat-plate rudders operate.

Precision issues

  • The words "only" and "cannot" make universal claims that are contradicted by Bernoulli's explicit application to flow terminating on a flat plate [11].
  • The claim incorrectly treats a limitation of a particular normal-to-streamline curvature explanation near a sharp leading edge as a limitation of Bernoulli's principle itself [2].

Reviewer C · Gemini

False
1/10

Reliable sources demonstrate that Bernoulli's principle relates fluid velocity to pressure along a streamline regardless of whether the surface is curved or flat. Source 3 explicitly notes that flat plates, such as paper airplanes, generate lift and that the application of Bernoulli's equation to explain the pressure difference is correct. Furthermore, Sources 11 and 13 directly apply Bernoulli's equation to flow impinging on a flat perpendicular plate, refuting the claim that the principle applies only to curved surfaces.

Source issues

  • Source 13 is a duplicate or near-duplicate of Source 11.

Panel summary

Authoritative fluid-mechanics sources describe Bernoulli's equation as a pressure–velocity relationship along a streamline, not a rule limited to curved surfaces. Princeton applies it directly to flow ending at a perpendicular flat plate, while NASA explains pressure-based lift on flat-plate airfoils. Evidence on flat-plate rudders further shows that they produce hydrodynamic force, although it does not provide a rudder-specific Bernoulli calculation. The only apparent support for the claim concerns a limitation of one curvature-based explanation near a sharp leading edge, not a limitation of Bernoulli's principle. Duplicate versions of two sources reduce source diversity but do not alter the conclusion.

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